How to Make Your Team Unstoppable: Insights from Barbara Khozam

Jaclyn Strominger chats with Barbara Khozam in a lively discussion about the vital connection between leadership and customer service. Barbara, a former chemist turned leadership trainer, shares her journey from the lab to the stage, highlighting her insights on what makes teams unstoppable. One key takeaway is the importance of recognizing employees; after all, a little acknowledgment goes a long way in boosting morale and performance. The duo emphasizes that effective communication and understanding employees' needs can transform the workplace, making it more engaging and productive. Join us as we delve into practical strategies to enhance customer experience and foster a culture of positivity in any organization. In a captivating discussion, Jaclyn Strominger and Barbara Khozam unpack the essential elements of leadership and customer service. Barbara's journey is fascinating; she transitioned from a career in chemistry to become a leading voice in customer service training, having spoken to over 75,000 people worldwide. Throughout their conversation, Barbara shares her insights on how leadership directly impacts customer experience. She argues that satisfied employees lead to satisfied customers, emphasizing the importance of recognition and appreciation in the workplace. The conversation is both informative and entertaining, with Jaclyn and Barbara's witty exchanges making the topic engaging and relatable. They touch upon the challenges leaders face in today’s fast-paced work environment, such as the need for effective communication and creating a positive culture. By sharing personal anecdotes, Barbara illustrates how small gestures of recognition can significantly boost morale and performance. This episode serves as a reminder of the power of leadership in shaping an organization's culture and enhancing customer experiences. Listeners will find valuable takeaways on fostering an environment of recognition and empowerment, with actionable advice on how to implement these strategies in their own workplaces. Barbara’s expertise, coupled with Jaclyn’s inviting hosting style, creates an enriching listening experience that inspires leaders to reflect on their practices and strive for continuous improvement in their organizations.

Takeaways:

1. Jaclyn and Barbara discuss the importance of transitioning from traditional roles to impactful leadership and customer service training.
2. Barbara's journey from chemistry to leadership training highlights the significance of finding joy in one's career path.
3. Recognition and positive reinforcement are key factors in enhancing employee

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Recording Started

Introducing Barbara Kazam

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the Unstoppable Success Podcast, where we spotlight visionary leaders who have mastered the art of growth, purpose, and powerful connections. I'm your host, Jacqueline Strauminger, connector, high performance coach, and creator of the Leap to Your Success Framework in Two Sketch TS. Each week we dive into bold insights, real conversations, and powerful strategies to fuel your growth, deepen your relationships, and ignite transformational momentum. And why? Because you were meant to be unstoppable. Now let's leap into the podcast. Well, hello everybody, and welcome to another amazing episode of Unstoppable Success. This is the podcast where we hear from amazing leaders, influential people out there doing the work and who are unstoppable. And they get to share their insights, their tips, their tricks, and how they have been unstoppable. I'm Jacqueline Strauminger, your host, and today I get to welcome to the show a Barbara, Barbara Kazam. And let me tell you a bit about Barbara. We're already having a lot of fun. She has actually started out her in chemistry, her degree, but she made a complete change and started her own leadership customer service experience training company. And she has now spoken more than 1,700 times to more than 75,000 people in over 12 countries about leadership motivation, customer experience, the patient experience, and communication. And she has a current program that is from burnout to buy-in leadership strategies to reignite teams. And I have to say, when you can do that, you can make anybody unstoppable. So welcome, Barbara.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Thank you, Jaclyn. I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Yeah, yeah. We're gonna we're having fun. So let me so Barbara. You know, great that you switched your career, but how did you actually decide to do leadership and customer experience training? What what made you make that jump?

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Or I would say leap. Do you want the long story or the short story? I'll do the medium. I want the fun story. Okay. So when I started speaking, well, first I started speaking with a seminar company where they give you the material, right? Then I went on my own. And I'm like, okay, what I want to do is I'm gonna do presentations on attitude, and I'm gonna talk about positivity and everyone's gonna be so happy. It's gonna be great. And I'm thinking of the Lego movie, everything is awesome. Yeah, yeah, like that. Like that. Oh, it's gonna be so great, and I'm gonna be a gazillionaire in a day. Then I hired a coach, a speaking coach, and he goes, Um, so Barb, uh, no one hires attitude. People don't hire attitude. What they do hire is customer service, leadership, or communication one. And I was like, easy, peasy, customer service. So customer service, because customer service is attitude, but I quickly learned customer service is really all about leadership, right? So I how how I get my my speaking gigs now is my bait, like how people know me is from customer service. Well, we always end up doing leadership stuff. Because without treating employees well, employees won't treat customers well.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

So that's it. But so but what what made you start working with a speaker company or a training company in the first place?

Barbara's Transition to Leadership Training

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Oh, so oh, you want to hear that story. Okay, so out of college, out of college, I was a chemist for 10 years. I was a chemist. Uh and it was one of those things. I don't know if you've ever had this, like I was good at my job, but I didn't like it. Have you ever had a position? Like I was good at it, and my last position was great. It moved me to San Diego, which is where I get to play beach volleyball. And I had a territory, I traveled around and went to clients, and it was great, but I didn't like it. The only part of my job I liked was when I had to train people on something like the equipment or anything. If I had to do a training, I loved it, but it was only 10% of my job. Okay, so here's what happened. So I said to my boss, this was toward the end of my career, I said to my boss, okay, I want to become part of the president's club. That's where they take the top employee from each department, and you get to go somewhere like Bermuda for a week with a loved one, which would have been my mom. So I said, I want to go to Bermuda with my mom. What do I need to do? He goes, Okay, you need to do these three things. So the next year I did those three things right before the end of the year we had a merger. So the only people that went to Bermuda with their mom was from the company that bought us. So what did I get? Nothing. Yeah, zero. No, no certificate, no thank you, no nothing. So the next year I stayed one more year. The woman that got that award was a woman I had to follow around all year long fixing her mistakes. I quit a week after she got that award. So then I'm like, okay, I need to do this training thing. So for eight months, I don't know what to do. Like, don't do this. Like, don't quit your job without like stupid. So for eight months, I'm like, I don't know what to do. Uh so then I joined on with a seminar company and I was with them for 10 years. Then I quit and went out on my own.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Not not well, not necessarily a bad thing, but but here's the part that I find that's really fascinating, and it's gives you great um sh great material for what you do now. That experience of you know being in the that first company and doing those three things, not getting it, and then being the sweeper, the clip cleaner upper person, it's great, it's great material for teaching people because it's so not what people do. We don't want anybody to we don't we don't want any company to ever do that. And if you are doing that, I want you to listen right now, hear what Barbara just said, stop, like don't do it. Like if people do the work, reward them. I know, I know, and if somebody's fixing the stuff that somebody else is doing, figure that out and reward the person who's fixing.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Exactly, and especially the younger generation, they need more recognition than everybody, you know. But we don't oh and like what do managers say, well, they're just doing their job. That's great. I need people to do their job, and I can compliment them and reward them too. But you're right.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

But so okay, so another kind of key thing is one of the things that helps make people unstoppable is recognition. Yeah, yes, it is their job, but to say to somebody, you handled that call call amazingly, or you are doing such a great job. Yes, I know that you know, your whatever your job is, maybe your job is is the barista, it's not about the tip, it's about just doing your job exceptionally well, what you do, right and somebody acknowledging them. Oh, you your attitude, the way that you present yourself, the way that you walk into the room, you're not bringing your baggage, right?

The Importance of Workplace Culture in Employee Satisfaction

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Right, exactly. What is that? How does that saying go? It's behavior that is rewarded is repeated. So that's what we want. We want people, and you know what's is interesting, maybe interesting. I don't know. If one of my clients is a uh, I just did a talk for them last week. It's a college bookstores. So I went and visited a bunch of college bookstores. Well, who works at a college bookstore? College students, like, right? So one store, it was pretty cool. All the employees were super happy, super helpful, really, really good at customer service. So I pulled them aside. There was like probably six of them. I'm like, all right, what's the deal here? I go, do you guys like your jobs? And they're like, we love our jobs, we love them, we love them. And I'm like, all right, why? And they said they tried to get away with, oh, it's the culture. And I'm like, I don't know, what does that mean? What does culture mean? And you know what they said? Our boss. Our boss is flexible with us, our boss tells us when we do something wrong, but also lets us have fun and compliments us when we do the right things. That's why we love our jobs, and it's true, it's true in the college market, but it's true everywhere, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:41

It is true everywhere, and it's just imagine for a minute if you took that college atmosphere, that college bookstore where everybody was happy, and you brought it to corporate X and Corporate Y or small company ABC. Right. What would that do?

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Exactly. Yeah. Well, okay, here's another example. So yesterday I was staying at a different hotel, yeah, and the front desk staff was exceptional. I had stayed there a year ago and it was horrible. Like these people were awful, but these people were really good. The check-in, the check out, like smiling, they were friends, like, so I said to them, Oh, has there been a staffing change? And the lady's like, No, we haven't had a staffing change. And I said, Well, well, I'm like, how do I say this without being mean? And I said, Well, I noticed the current staff seems um nicer than the staff in the past. And she goes, Oh, we got a new manager, and the new manager he lets us talk to clients and he lets us have fun. Like he they said the same thing, so it can have. I mean, you don't have to be a college student to have this kind of fun.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

But what did you just say? You just said they let us have fun. I mean, there's fun at a reasonable, like you're not gonna have fun at the expense of somebody, but they you just said something, it's they let us talk to the customer. Yes, I know. I mean, I don't mean to be a light bulb moment here, but listeners, seriously. If you have employees, let them talk to customers and let them make the customers feel heard. That's right, it's the connection, right? It's it's totally that connection. You know, now take that to what happens when you get when you're dialing, you know, 1-800. I need to talk to my credit card company.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

So right. I do a lot of call center training, by the way. But the problem is we've got this digital insert now, right? We've got AI and chatbots and all this, and you gotta scream, human, human, human, human, a body, uh, uh something with blood running through their veins. Can I speak to? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Yeah, you don't necessarily say I'd like to speak to the robot today. That's right. I'd like to see, I'd like to see speak to Rosie, Rosie Jetson. If you haven't watched the Jetsons listeners, go watch the Jetsons. Go go on YouTube and look up the Jetsons. I'm dating myself. That's right. Um so what do you feel right like what right now when you're talking and you're getting what are what what do you feel is the biggest issue that are that is facing people right now that you're able to influence on?

SPEAKER_00 12:56

You mean regarding customer service or leadership or you know, I guess I on the leadership side. Yeah. Well, so the biggest issue that I hear people talking about is hiring. Like there's a oh, we can't hire the right people, or people aren't staying, you know, like this retention is very, very big for a lot of my clients. And so I go back to the the basics. I'm like, are you communicating the vision? Like your people, oh, roll their eyes, mission, vision, values. No, this is the core. You're speaking my language, right? Like if my values as a human being and I'm an you're hiring me, are in line with this company's values, and it excites me. And oh my gosh, what who do I impact with my job when people see a big picture? Not just, oh, you check people in and you will, you know, call people back. No, what is your impact? Then now we get motivation, we get excitement. But but people just throw a lot of leisure here. Here's your job description. Can you do it? Yes or no, you can. Oh, okay. I don't care if you hate people, answer the phone. What? Well, you're never gonna get they're they're gonna hate their job, they're gonna hate you, and then patients or customers will hate them, and then it's no good. So for me, it's starting with the big vision, make sure we're on track, and then let's have workflows so we can hold people accountable, reward them, boom. That's it, that's it. It kind of boils down to two things, I think. This is what I teach in my sessions. Like if you boil leadership down to two things, employees need two things. I said two things, two things. One right, two, yeah. One is they want to know what's expected of them. Right. So, what what do you how do you expect me to communicate when there's a problem? What are the expectations? And number two, how are they doing good and bad? If we focus on those two things, everything else will fall into place. By the way, employees want to know when they're not doing it right, you know, they want to improve, so don't we can't hide from negative feedback, but we're afraid, right? I don't I don't want them to get mad.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Okay, but there's two things there, and and I think this is actually, you know, you're speaking my language. I talk about this all the time. I feel like vision, mission, yes, and it's a different and your values, like values assessment. If you haven't done a values assessment, oh my god, let me know, right? But seriously, but one of the other kind of key things that I think that comes out of this is the communication part of it. And you just said this, they want to know the good and the bad and the ugly, but as a leader, you don't say, I'm not gonna say to you, my good, oh my, I'm not gonna yell at you, and I'm not gonna say, Barbara, you didn't do that right. No, right, right. You're gonna say, Hey, Barbara, the way I want to, can I talk to you for a minute about blank? Can we talk about how that was done? I think there could be a better way, or let's talk about that because we would like to see it done a different way. Right, an area where you can improve upon. That's right. It's how you communicate it.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yeah, it's so important. I know, I know, and and what's interesting is when you're clear on the expectation ahead of time, this conversation is easy. So you'll just say, Oh, Jaclyn, hey Jacqueline, remember the expectation where we talked about you would use the customer's preferred name. Remember, we talked about that? Well, this morning at 8 15, I heard you call Mr. Johnson Dude Biscuit. Yeah, remember? Yeah. So uh how do we get back on track with using the preferred? Like that's an easy conversation, right? Sorry, like dude biscuit. I know, or stud muffin, which one's better. Yeah, right. But it's yeah, I mean, but we need to have the conversation, and you're right, it could be easy. The expectation is this, and I saw you do this, so let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Okay, I just want to say something about names for a second. If you're listening listening to this, I just want you to I want to drill something into everybody's head. Drill this when somebody introduces themselves, use the name they use to introduce themselves. Do not take the liberty to shorten it or to change it. My name is Jacqueline, Barbara's name is Barbara, unless she tells you, by the way, I also go by whatever princess, right? Princess. I go by queen, but you know, don't worry, there's my tiara. Do not change it. It is not for you to do. And I I'm gonna, if I can, if you if there's one thing, names matter, yes, you can miss it. Like you could, you know, maybe you don't know how to say a name properly, then say, Is your name pronounced this? Ask, or if you mess it up, don't feel bad to say somebody, oh, actually, my name is pronounced like this. People want to know, but do me a favor, call people by the name they introduce themselves with. That's the name they want to use.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

I agree a thousand percent. So many people call me Barb. I I'll say hi, my name is Barbara, and they go, Hi, Barb. My friends call me Barb, but I just introduced myself as Barbara. Why are you shortening? Yeah, it drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Well, you can only imagine what people shorten my name too, and I can only imagine and I don't like it.

unknown 19:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Yeah. I'm not anything with an IE. I'm just saying. Right. That's nails on a chalkboard for me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Exactly.

The Importance of Names in Customer Service

SPEAKER_01 19:14

But it's a huge thing, and and the reason why I bring that up, because I want to actually go to touch to talk about customer service now for a minute, that's actually part of customer service. When you actually use somebody's name, and and and I want to go to the customer service for a bit too because I feel like it's an area in so many places that people have forgotten about. Totally. So when you're talking to people about customer service and you're working with your clients, share what you're seeing out there.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Well, what's interesting is the people that hire me usually, and it's a leader, it's a leader who believes in customer service, they usually already have good service. You know those companies that have horrible customer service? Those people never hire me. It's very interesting. But yeah, it's all about you know, presence and yeah, the basics. You know, smile like healthcare. I have a lot of healthcare clients, and we're missing empathy. These like what's here's what's happening in healthcare, I think. These patients get a great AI digital experience, so they get to schedule online, they get employment reminders and texts and call, all automated, and then they walk into the doctor's office and they're treated like poop by a human. So there's a disconnect between the digital and the human. We still need to be nice. These people are sick, they're scared. Why can't we empathize? Why can't we give them compassion? But we're missing it. And I don't know if it's a hiring thing, I don't know if it's a generation thing, it's a missing thing for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

What do you think? Do you think it's also has anything to do? And I'm holding for those of you that are listening, I'm gonna hold up my phone. Is it because people are so used to texting, they actually have lost the art of communication and speaking with their voice because they only know how to speak in 140 characters?

SPEAKER_00 21:18

That's correct. So I read this book called uh years ago. I read a book called iBrain, like iPhone, but eye brain. Yeah, and it said the younger generation has not developed the neurological pathways for face-to-face communication. So, because of this, they don't understand eye rolls and eye contact and you know, listening without interrupting. They don't get it, they haven't developed the neurological pathways, so it's a problem. And like it also said college students, and I just learned this at the college bookstore thing, college students have a High percentage of mental I don't want to say illness, but problems, depression, anxiety, stress, a huge percentage of college, these young kids, because I think they have friends here, but they don't have friends here.

The Impact of Communication on Relationships

SPEAKER_01 22:18

You know, right. The in-person friendship, you know, those of you that are listening, it's it's the in-person friendship versus the phone friendship. You know, how do you make that, how do you make that transition to from from digital to per uh to in-person? I mean, it's a weird thing. Like my husband made some comment to me about how many people have fallen in love with their chat. Their chat that's right, right? Which is like creepy to me. But yet, yet you could, I mean, you could open up and have a whole conversation with chat talking to you, and it's gonna tell you how much you're great. But I know you're not having this in-person relationship. So, how do you help companies? Is it a training where you put people in a room and you you start training people on having face-to-face conversations?

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Pretty much, yeah. So I'm big on uh behaviors. If we can get them to do the behavior, like smiling, eye contact, like I can't say be nice. I don't that's a character thing, right? Like I I can't see what is be nice, but I can see eye contact and smiling, I can see that you're wearing a name badge, I can see and hear you lit using the preferred name. So when people practice the behaviors, it eventually becomes a habit and becomes part of them, but it's a skill, right? And we need to constantly talk about it. Coma, top of mind awareness. You can't just say on a Monday in January, January 1st, smile and never say it again. No, right, it's we're constantly talking, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:01

So I um it this is actually an interesting, interesting thing. I used to work very, very, very part-time at a ski resort. Oh yeah. Um, and we were part of the marketing team. We would walk up to different people and we would ask them to get their email addresses so they could take a survey to about see how the mountain was doing. And then we're gonna drawing. But one of the things I thought was fascinating, because I, you know, I had learned this I think years ago when I was in a college class when I did a I'd learned speaking. We had a in college I had a speaking class, right? And part of it was when you are walking and you're at, you know, at a store or whatever, and you're an employee, you walk and you look at people and you say, you smile and you say hello. You're not offering anything, you say it's like walking in the door. It's like, oh, hi, how are you? You know, somebody's walking past you, anybody that you can see within 10 feet, hi, how are you? Now, obviously, at a mall, if you're walking, you're knocking bills hi to everybody, it's like hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. That people are gonna think you're insane. But if you're in a business setting or at a store, or you're at a company office and you're walking through the office, say hello to your fellow employees. I mean, right, it's so important.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Right. I agree. Yeah, one of my clients has uh, well, you've probably heard us the 10-5 rule. So at 10 feet, you make eye contact, at five, you smile and say something. Right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it was a rule, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:38

That's it. It's a great rule. Uh-huh. And my other the other thing is if you're having a conversation with people, think of the five questions, not the five finger as in your stealing, but think of five things that you can ask people that have nothing to do with their job that are about them. Right. So you can think now it's like 10-5-5.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

You're like, Yeah, yeah, okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Five and I'm in person, I'm gonna ask you five things. Yeah. Oh, but that's but it's it's so important, you know. I'm gonna share a funny story, is is my one of my closest friends who was in my wedding, and to this day is one of my closest friends. I met her, imagine this, in an elevator at my very first job out of college. But that was just because she's standing there and I said, Hi.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Hi.

unknown 26:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Oh, talk to me.

unknown 26:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

But but listeners, part of this, and and I think this is a really key thing, and and Barbara does this and shares this really well. It's you know, leadership and customer service go together, and it's about being able to communicate and don't be afraid to say hello. And if you have employees, really work with them on looking people in the eye and smiling.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

So what is the next thing? I mean, you're we you know, we we're talking about obviously leadership, customer service, but you know, and in healthcare, it also goes to that ex the the client experience, which I almost feel is very different than just customer service.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

So, how do you talk about and what do you do to help people have a better experience?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Well, it's all it's all on how what it's the customer's perception of the experience, right? So it's based on how they feel. So their perception, if they leave, let's do a like a doctor's office, they have a great experience with the doctor and the nurse and the front desk staff, and then they get in the car and they're like, What was I supposed to do? Like, uh am I supposed to get labs? And now they're questioning that that's they're leaving with a negative experience, even though they had some. So I talk a lot about the touch points. Do we have consistent, like, are we communicating like a doctor's office at the end? Do we clearly communicate the next steps? Because the last impression is the most memorable, right? So it's it's what I do is I teach them okay, each touch point will produce a feeling for your customer. So are you familiar with each of those touch points? I'm a professional mystery shopper. I'm basically a professional liar. So you can learn a lot from your clients by walking in their shoes. You know, like for example, what is the first thing I do as a customer? I Google them. I'll Google the company and I read the reviews. Well, so many companies will have a review from what, 10 years ago? Like, what am I thinking? Are you not up to date? Like, why don't you have up to date? Or no one replies to any of the reviews if they're negative? Like you just ignore. So that's my first touch point. Can we fix that? Yeah, nowadays we can, right? So each touch point is gonna produce some kind of feeling. And what we need to fix those touch points that aren't so positive. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

You know, you brought up something that's really that I think is that it's two two really important things. One is that that review, right? And and getting um recent reviews.

The Importance of Customer Feedback

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Right. And it's not hard to get reviews nowadays, right? You put QR codes in every room or everything, you see, ask them, send out. I mean, we need to be proactive. You've gotta get the feedback.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Right. Gotta get the feedback. But then the other thing is, and and you said this, somebody needs to be monitoring them.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

That's right. Yeah. I had one doctor's office where the doctor would monitor it. And then she would reply and we'd be pissed. And she would be like, You're a jerk. I'm like, oh oops, we don't want to say that. You're not the person that's supposed to do. Yeah. So yeah, there needs to be a system, it needs to be systematized. Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Right. Yeah, you need to, yeah. But really important. Like, you do need to get those that customer service and get those reviews and have somebody respond. It's very true. If somebody because sometimes you know, you could diffuse something so easily just by responding to somebody.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Right. Right. Well, I had a bad experience at a hotel two weeks ago, and I complained like on the survey, I was like, oh, this is blah blah blah blah. The general manager, oh, and I left the general manager a voicemail. Like I was pissed because I had like seven different incidents in one hotel. So I left him a voicemail. He replied right away, set up a conference call. So I vented to him, you know, for I don't know how long. He didn't say like any solutions. He just said, you know, you shouldn't have had that experience. You know, I'm gonna get my team together, we're gonna talk about this. Boom, I'm done. I'm not mad anymore.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Right, right. Because he acknowledged, he probably apologized for the bad service, but he said, you know, yes, and he didn't make excuses.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Oh, you know, we were short staffed that day, you know. Like, I don't care, I don't care. I want to be acknowledged, and he did it beautifully. That that's what we need to do.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

We do need to do that. You it's it's right, it's so important. Okay, so if you could give everybody one tip, because you one tip on on what what it takes to be unstoppable in your pursuit of your career or your greatness.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Oh man, one tip. I think you know what I think, I think it's being present. You know, be present, whether it's with one person one-on-one, or be present with like what you're doing. You know, do you enjoy it? And if you do enjoy it, go for it. Like go a hundred percent in. If you don't enjoy it, well, look at other avenues, do some research, but like be be really present and you will make remarkable connections with a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Yeah, I love that. Okay, listeners, do me a favor. You gotta reach out to Barbara, she's absolutely amazing, ton of fun, and you gotta get her greatness because she's got a lot of great wisdom and and great insights. So, Barbara, what is the way, the best way for people to connect with you?

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Oh, uh, probably via email or right, or my website. My website's probably good. Okay, Barbakazam.com.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Okay, I will put that in the show notes so you have that. Reach out to Barbara, connect with her. Now do me a favor, listeners. This is such an important topic. Whatever company you work for, whether it's yourself, your employed at a company, please share this with every single leader person that you know. It is great information and it's information that we need to all be thinking about on a day-to-day basis. It might even turn a company that you're working for around, change their opinion, make them do something different. So please share this episode with people that you know and like and believe in so that we can each and every one of us make better leaders out there. I'm Jacqueline Stomager, I'm your host. This is Unstoppable Success. Thank you, listeners, for listening, and thank you, Barbara, for being an amazing and fun guest. My pleasure. Yay! Thank you so much for joining me on the Unstoppable Success Podcast, where we don't just talk about growth, we leap toward it. If something today lit a fire within you, sparked a new idea, or gave you the extra push forward, please don't keep it to yourself. Share this episode and podcast with a friend, colleague, or fellow high achiever. Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review. And most importantly, connect with me, Jacqueline Schuminger, at leaptoyoursuccess.com. For coaching, community, and your next move. Keep leading with intention, keep building your network with purpose, and most of all, keep leaping because you are meant to be unstoppable.